大唐双龙传 [Da Tang Shuang Long Zhuan] by Huang Yi

[Ysabelkid]

For some reason I am unable to attached the image file.

Rise of the Tang Dynasty: The Reunification of China and the Military Response to the Steppe Nomads (AD581-626) by Julian Romane

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Tang-D.../dp/1473887771

Some spoilers so I don't want to copy n paste the blurb.

[wangxiaohu]

Thanks foxs

[hungryhero]

Thanks foxs. Btw please just ignore the troll. His nonsense doesn't deserve your attention. Cheers.

[徐中銳]

Hooray, your fishing for shameful affirmation has a bite ! Wannabe "heroes" are such foils for wily foxing.

Thanks foxs. Btw please just ignore the troll. His nonsense doesn't deserve your attention. Cheers.

[HPC7595]

Thanks foxs

[wangxiaohu]

Thanks foxs. Btw please just ignore the troll. His nonsense doesn't deserve your attention. Cheers.

+1. He just need attentions... Attention Deficit Disorders

[徐中銳]

Your spellcheck has confused "I" with jumbled paraphernalia, and you've forgot your DPD.

+1. He just need attentions... Attention Deficit Disorders

[foxs]

Anurman, you guess? OK, we will see together whether you have another winning guess this time. Ysabel, thanks for sharing. I think it’s too academic for me. Hungry, good suggestion. Don’t worry, I have already decided not to lower myself to that level. Good thing (or is it bad thing?) that he does not understand subtlety and sarcasm. I just found out that he slandered me in the other forum, in a thread that has nothing to do with this story. I wonder what it is that he want to achieve, other than, like Xiaohu said, to get attention. HPC, you are welcome. BTW, subsequent chapters will be heavy with gambling references. I am not familiar with gambling, and I am not interested in learning how to gamble, hence I translate it as best as I can. If you guys understand Tien Gow, Pai Gow, or what have you, feel free to jump in.

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Remaining calm and unruffled in the midst of chaos, Lei Jiuzhi said, “We shout and scream to force him to return the money, if he is willing to follow Jianghu rules and return fifty-percent, it could be considered pretty good. But on the gambling table, he cannot but follow casino rules. Whatever amount he loses, he must pay in full. Casinos attach most importance to trust; he won’t dare to mess with it.”

Frowning deeply, Xu Ziling said, “How are you going to lure Lai Chaogui to gamble big against us?”

With a card up his sleeve, Lei Jiuzhi replied, “From Gongliang Ji and Lin Lang’s mouth, I already understood this person’s style. Speaking about cheating in gambling, all those ‘in order to capture, one must let loose’, bluffing, ‘engaging in fraudulent activities’, he does not even have the qualification to be my disciple or grandson. As long as Ling Shao is willing to stay in Jiujiang for two more days, I guarantee he will be caught by my fishing hook.”

Xu Ziling seriously said, “I’ll give you two days. Otherwise, we will proceed according to my distinguished method.”

Muttering to himself irresolutely, Lei Jiuzhi said, “It’s really strange, how come Yin Gui Pai does not shown any sign of acitivity?”

Xu Ziling analyzed, “Yin Gui Pai, with Wanwan as the main force, deployed their martial art masters into Bashu. Because of her lofty position, Zhu Yuyan can’t possibly undertake this task personally, while naturally moving an army and sending a general takes time. But Jiujiang is their last chance. After this, finding us will not be so easy.”

Lei Jiuzhi laughed and said, “He has a good plan, I have a ladder to climb over the wall. As soon as you, this Gong Chenchun, suddenly vanish from the human world, even if Zhu Yuyan personally came, what can she possibly do?”

Shaking his head, Xu Ziling said, “I may be able to avoid her momentarily, but I can’t avoid her for a lifetime. In the end, I will have to meet with Zhu Yuyan and the others, to take this opportunity to battle them. You, along with Gongliang Ji and Lin Lang, must not be seen together with me. We will contact each other using some secret method; won’t it be more interesting and fun?”

Kou Zhong went to the inn’s public bath. After heartily washed himself clean, he went down the street. It was early evening, the time when the lanterns were first lit. The street was bustling with noise. The people going back and forth on the streets were traveling merchants from all over the place and all kinds of Jianghu characters.

When he was following Yun Yuzhen before, it was not until she entered the governmental mansion Zhenjiang Lou [lit. town and river building, not sure if this is a name], representing Jiujiang political power, located at the city center, that he continued his quest for an inn to have a rest.

Up to this point, he still did not know how to deal with her.

If using secret assassination method, based on his current saber technique, skill and experience, after the mission was accomplished, he would still be able to leave easily. But he was well aware that he would not be able to make his move.

He has always had a soft heart toward women.

He selected a restaurant from which he could watch the north gate as he dined. If that guy called Gong Chenchun was coming from Bashu by boat via the Three Gorges to Jiujiang, he ought to be coming from the dock outside the city.

Jiujiang actually had a waterway that went directly inside the city, but it was restricted for the Liang Navy boats’ use only. All other ships and boats, without exception, must drop anchor outside the city.

The two tables by the door were already occupied, while from the rest of the room, one could not see the situation outside the shop. Unleashing his consummate skill ‘money can get through the gods’, Kou Zhong took out three taels of silver and came to one of the table, ‘Bang!’ he slapped the silver onto the table. He smiled and said, “If you are willing to let me have this table, you can divide the silver among yourselves.”

Those three men were obviously friends; without second thought they took the silver, paid the bill and left, for fear that if they were even half a step late, this ostentatious, ugly-looking foolish man would go back on this deal.

Again, Kou Zhong heavily tipped the attendant, ignoring the gaze with raised eyebrows of the entire shop, and said, “Give me full set of bowls and chopsticks, I am meeting friends.”

The waiter, as if he received imperial decree, followed the order and obeyed wholeheartedly, and waited on him in every possible way.

Kou Zhong made a big show of sitting down and untied the Moon in the Well from his back and put it on the table. This way, unless someone ate leopard gall bladder, nobody would dare to sit at his table.

After ordering food and wine, Kou Zhong gazed at the main street leading into the city. There was still a steady stream of traveling merchants from out of town entering the city; it was a level of prosperity that was a bit out of place.

When the waiter returned to offer the good wine, Kou Zhong casually asked, “I never thought that Jiujiang would be this lively.”

The waiter laughed politely and said, “Daye didn’t know, but they all came to take advantage of the excitement of Yin Ru Ge’s annual gambling meet.” And then, lowering his voice he went on, “The extent of your luck not only limited to the chance of winning money, there will also be beautiful women keeping you company all night. Daye, tell me, who would want to miss this opportunity?”

Kou Zhong’s heart was moved, thinking that this casino’s style was rather like Xiang Yushan’s casino, plus Jiujiang was currently Baling Bang’s territory. Perhaps this Yin Ru Ge was under his Xiang Family’s management as well.

Thinking to this point, murderous intent flared out in his heart. But on the surface he remained calm and collected as he laughed aloud and said, “Turns out there is such a fun place like that. When it comes to gambling, my luck has always been not bad. Which way to the Yin Ru Ge?”

After taking the time to give Kou Zhong a detailed direction, the waiter turned around to wait on other guests.

While Kou Zhong was still deep in thought, a voice, reverent and respectful, rang out by his side, saying, “Daye, please forgive Xiaoren’s offense by disturbing you.”

Kou Zhong looked up. The speaker was a man about forty years old, slightly-built, with the pale complexion of a man who had excessive wine and women. Although he was trying to show some kind frank and honest look, his narrow eyes revealed his sly character. His countenance was not bad, but experienced person would be able to see that he was the kind of Jianghu people who make a living by stealing and swindling.

Kou Zhong knew that he would violate the ‘wealth does not betray the eyes’ big taboo of the Jianghu by inciting this drooling drifter. But since he was bored, plus this kind of person was an ideal candidate if he wanted to go one step further by inquiring about everything pertaining to Yin Ru Ge, thereupon he said, “Sit down and tell me!”

As if he was overwhelmed by favor from superior, the man sat down to Kou Zhong’s left and spoke in flattering way, “Xiaoren Liu An; Daye, may I ask your honorable surname and great given name?”

Kou Zhong was disgusted, but he forced himself to suppress his irritation toward this man. “Whatever you want to say, just say it, don’t talk nonsense,” he replied impatiently.

In fear and trepidation, Liu An said, “Daye, please calm down. It is because Xiaoren noticed Daye’s outstanding appearance, with marvelous shine across your face, and good luck imminent on your countenance – that I am thinking of a good proposal that I guarantee Daye will be pleased.”

Kou Zhong sniggered inwardly. His appearance right now was certainly extremely outstanding, but it was the unbearably-ugly kind of outstanding. However, on the surface he put on an act that he took the compliment at face value. Staring at Liu An, he said, “If after you tell me and I am dissatisfied, I am going to chop you with this saber.”

Liu An hastily smiled apologetically and said, “Daye really loves to joke.” And then, leaning closer, he spoke in low voice, “Isn’t Daye interested to try your luck at the Yin Ru Ge? Not only Xiaoren can take you in, but I can also help Daye’s skill to put everyone there under control; you can obtain both the money and the people.”

Displeased, Kou Zhong said, “You think I am an idiot? If you really have such ability, why not use your skill to put everyone under control? Why would you want to give me the advantage? Get the hell out of here right now, or I’ll kill you for real.”

Liu An hastily said, “Daye, please listen to Xiaoren’s explanation. Here’s the truth: the highlight of the gambling meet is the Tian Jiu [lit. heavenly nine, Tien Gow] competition, which will be held tomorrow night. Whoever can win the highest number of gaming chips will be declared the winner. But those who want to enter the contest must register three days ago, and have to be present for the draw to determine the table and the opponents. Look!”

Spreading out his right hand, he revealed a uniquely-shaped bronze token, engraved with a number and Yin Ru Ge logo; the lines were very fine.

Staring blankly, Kou Zhong said, “Are you trying to sell me this bronze token? Humph! You really know how to do business.”

Liu An put away the bronze token; he laughed and said, “My problem is that I lack the gambling capital. Simply because the gambling meet provision stated that the competitor must purchase gaming chips worth twenty taels of gold, those who lose everything will be immediately kicked out of the arena. This was the reason I was looking for Daye to work together.”

Kou Zhong was not interested to continue talking with him. Shaking his head, he said, “I’m sorry, in my pocket right now, scraping to the east and gathering from the west, I only have twelve taels of gold. Therefore, it does not matter how brilliant my gambling skill is, I still lack eight taels of gold before I can even qualify. Just get lost and go find your second fat sheep!”

While Kou Zhong thought that Liu An would sound out the difficulties and retreat to avoid defeat, Liu An rolled his rat-eyes, and without changing his expression at all he laughed and said, “No problem; as long as Daye is willing to cooperate, isn’t winning eight taels of gold as easy as a hand’s turn? Tonight, Jiujiang’s streets are crowded with sheep to the bursting point; as long as we have enough capital in hand, Xiaoren can work together with Daye to make a lot of money.”

This moment the dish arrived. Kou Zhong perfunctorily said, “Let me think about it!”

“Of course! Of course!” Liu An replied, “If Daye is interested in Xiaoren’s proposal, you can go to Yin Ru Ge to look for Xiaoren. Xiaoren is an expert in reading people’s aura; Daye is currently in the winning form. Otherwise, Xiaoren would not waste that much time explaining.”

Muttering to himself irresolutely, Kou Zhong said, “If we get enough money to be exchanged with gaming chips, who would compete? Will it be you, or me?”

Liu An said, “Of course Daye can personally play. Afterwards, Xiaoren will be perfectly content to get ten percent.”

Kou Zhong nodded and said, “All right! If I’m interested, I will look for you at Yin Ru Ge tonight.”

Thinking that he had persuaded Kou Zhong; Liu An left in high spirits.

Kou Zhong snickered inwardly. Lifting his chopsticks, he was about to pick the dish when Xu Ziling’s Scar-faced Hero swaggered into the city from the north city gate.

[徐中銳]

I just found out that he slandered me in the other forum, in a thread that has nothing to do with this story. I wonder what it is that he want to achieve, other than, like Xiaohu said, to get attention.

This is what I wrote for a discussion about translations, and I'll always stand by how you made me not to trust any translator, especially one who wants it be "cool" :

foxs has commented in another thread that "those characters belong to some fantasy novel, not historical wuxia fiction" ...

In short, I don't hold foxs to be trustworthy as a translator. A recent example, for the 水仙刃 that 宋缺 wield in 第二十六卷，第五章：屢敗屢戰 of 大唐雙龍傳

Akolaw [who pointed it out], thanks for sharing. The dictionary does give ‘narcissus’ as one of the definitions, but I thought ‘water immortal’ sounds cooler.

And his translation being :

Song Que caressed the blade of the saber with his eyes. He spoke softly, “This saber is called Shuixian [lit. water immortal; legendary aquatic immortal]. Based on this saber’s characteristic, I created ‘Tian Dao Ba Jue’ [heavenly saber eight secrets (of an art)]. Each secret consists of ten strikes, for a total of eighty saber strikes. The saber is ruthless, Shao Shuai must be careful!”

Well, foxs "must be careful" not to mislead the illiterate ?


The relevant passage :
　　宋缺的目光在刀身來回巡逕，柔聲道：「此刀名水仙，本人曾就此刀的特性，創出「天刀八訣」，每訣十刀， 共八十刀。刀下無情，少帥小心啦！」
　　「鏘」！寇仲掣出井中月，立時黃芒大盛，喜怒不露諸形色的淡淡道：「這八訣有什麼好聽的名字，閥主可否 說來讓在下開開耳界。」
　　宋缺的目光離開水仙寶刃，朝他瞧去，卻啞然失笑道：「什麼開開耳界，不過你的不守成規，正是你的長處。 我「天刀」宋缺自出道以來，從沒有人敢與我刀鋒相對，絲毫不讓的硬拚三十多刀，代價只是一口鮮血，所以我才 破例讓你歇息後再戰，非是我改變主意，肯饒你一命。」
　　寇仲哈哈笑道：「「天刀」宋缺也憑多廢話。我幾時想過閥主會刀下留情？閥主偏要這麼說，是否因殺我之心 不夠堅定，所以須先把話說滿呢？」宋缺微一錯愕，然後點頭道：「你這番話不無道理。如說玉致對我殺你的決心 沒絲毫影響的話，自是騙你。少帥可否再考慮宋某人勸你退出這場爭天下的紛爭的提議？」
　　寇仲失笑道：「閥主仍摸不清我寇仲是那一類人嗎？」
　　宋缺審視他好半晌後，訝道：「你若身死此地，還爭什麼天下。所謂好死不如惡活，你就算不怕死，這麼死去 卻是毫無意義。」
　　寇仲洒然聳肩道：「都怪閥主你不好，自訂八十刀之約，不怕告訴你，小子根本不相信閥主能在八十刀內宰掉 我。再有一晚的思索，說不定明天我可揚長而去哩！」
　　宋缺把刀鞘隨意拋開，左手揚刀，仰天笑道：「好！自古英雄出少年，「天刀八訣」第一式名為「天風環珮」 ，意境是有天仙在雲端乘風來去，雖不能看到，卻有環珮鏗鏘的仙樂清音。」
　　寇仲歎道：「果不愧天刀的起首一式，只聽聽便知是神龍見首不見尾的奇招。閥主看刀！」
　　有過前車之鑒，他再不敢讓宋缺主攻。
　　當然面對如此可怕的大敵，他也不敢貿然進擊，當下提刀迫去，雙目緊盯宋缺。
　　龐大的刀氣，立時朝宋缺湧去，寒氣漫堂。
　　宋缺雙目閃過訝色，點頭稱許道：「難怪少帥口出狂言，原來不但功力盡復，且尤有精進，確是 非常難得。」
　　寇仲倏地搶前，揮刀猛掃，化作黃芒，疾取宋缺胸口，凌厲如電閃。
　　宋缺不動如山的瞧著井中月尚差尺許就往胸脅掃至時，才略往後移，手中水仙薄刃化作千百道藍汪汪的刀芒， 把寇仲連人帶刀籠罩其中，刀法精妙絕倫，令人難以相信。
　　寇仲心知不妙，更知迅快飄忽至此的刀法根本是無法捉摸，無從掌握。
　　刀風呼嘯聲在四面八方響起，寇仲猛一咬牙，在這生死懸於一線的危急時刻，純憑直覺去揣測宋缺殺氣所在， 於殺氣最盛處，化繁為簡，身隨刀走，一刀劈去。
　　「叮」！一聲清響後，藍芒與黃茫不斷交擊。寇仲連擋宋缺接踵而來，有若鳥飛魚游，無跡可尋的連續九刀， 殺得他汗流浹背，差點棄刀逃亡。
　　兩人倏地分開。
　　寇仲橫刀而立，暗自調息，一時說不出話來。
　　宋缺從容不迫的撫刀笑道：「少帥現在明白什麼是刀意嗎？」寇仲苦笑道：「想不明白也不行，原來感覺是這 麼重要。不過若我沒有猜錯，閥主並非真的想殺我，否則一出手就是道什麼娘的「天刀八訣」，恐怕我只能在地府 中去領悟什麼叫刀意。」
　　宋缺長歎道；「你這麼想可是錯了。只因你不知道我是如何寂寞，難得有你這麼一個好對手，才不肯輕易讓你 迅快歸天。」
　　寇仲調息完畢，信心大幅增強，微笑道：「小心愈來愈難殺我，第二訣又是什麼名堂？」
　　宋缺欣然道：「愈難殺愈好，第二訣名為「瀟湘水雲」，雖是十刀，卻如霞霧繚繞，隱見水光雲影，流轉不盡 ，意態無窮，看刀！」
　　寇仲忙喝道：「且慢！」
　　宋缺淡然道：「若我發覺少帥是在拖延時間，少帥將會非常後悔。」
　　寇仲哂道：「我寇仲從不會為這種事後悔，更沒興趣拖延時間，只因閥主的一訣十刀之數而想起一套名「血戰 十式」的凌厲刀法。閥主若能只守不攻，任我施展刀法，保證會是非常痛快暢美的享受。」
　　宋缺大笑道：「我還以為你會說刎頸自盡。不過這「血戰十式」確能使本人聞之心動，即管使來看看。假若名 不符實，休怪本人沒有看下去的耐性。」
　　寇仲暗忖最緊要你肯受落，嘿然笑道：「閥主小心啦！」
　　立時提刀作勢，弓起腰背，上身微俯向前，井中月遙指宋缺，雙目厲芒電射，鷹售般一瞬不瞬的緊盯對手，作 勢欲撲。那種迫人的氣勢，換作一般高手，怕要立即不戰自潰，棄械逃生。
　　宋缺持刀做立，點頭道：「果然有點對壘戰場，浴血苦戰的味兒。」
　　寇仲沉聲喝道：「這一式正是「兩軍對壘」。」
　　話猶未已，井中月化作黃芒，直向丈半外的宋缺射去。由於不用顧忌宋缺會以攻對攻，所以去勢份外凌厲，大 有一往無回之勢。
　　宋缺目射奇光，寇仲這一刀最厲害處非是刀法，而是刀意。從他提刀作勢，至撲前狂攻，所有動作均渾成一個 無可分割的整體，雖是右手運刀，但這一刀卻包含全身全靈的力量，教人不敢小看。
　　而最令宋缺又好氣又好笑的，是寇仲分明看準自己這把水仙寶刃利攻不利守，遂故意以言語誰得自己只守不攻 ，眼睜睜的吃虧。
　　「噹」！宋缺錯往一側，左手水仙刃往上斜挑，正中寇仲刀鋒。
　　寇仲手中刀芒大盛，冷喝道：「鋒芒畢露！」千萬點刀光，像無數逐花的浪蝶般變招灑往宋缺， 氣勢如虹。
　　宋缺喝一聲「好」後，單手抱刀，喳喳喳的連閃三步，竟在刀光中穿插自如，最後才運刀斜削，劈在井中月離 刀把三寸許處。
　　寇仲下一招「輕騎突出」竟使不下去，改為第四式「探囊取物」，疾挑宋缺腰腹。
　　宋缺哂道：「少帥技窮啦！咦！」
　　只見寇仲挑來此刀，其「刀意」正隨速度和角度不住變化，所以雖是表面看來簡單直接的一刀，落在宋缺這大 行家眼內，卻知因其無法捉摸的特性，如若被動的等待，必然擋格不住。縱是能勉強守過此招，接續而來的攻勢將 會令高明如宋缺也要落在下風，其後要扳平將非是容易。
　　在寇仲眼中，見到宋缺神情略一猶豫，心知肚明宋缺終於中計。
　　由上次交手到目下此刻，不理他如何努力爭取，卻從未曾搶佔得上風，又或奪得主動的形勢，可以說是給宋缺 牽緊鼻子來走。
　　苦無辦法下絡給他心生一計，就是先以有形的「血戰十式」，誘使宋缺生出輕敵之心，再以剛從宋缺偷學過來 的「刀意」以子之矛，攻子之盾，迫宋缺改守為攻，那在心理上宋缺已像輸了一著，氣勢自然因此心態而有所削減 。
　　眼前宋缺臨陣遲疑的情況，正是中計的如山鐵證。
　　宋缺冷笑一聲，左手水仙刃立時化為仿如水光雲影的刀光，層層疊疊的迎往寇仲的井中月。終於放棄只擋不攻 。
　　寇仲大笑道：「我都說沒可能只守不攻的哩！」
　　倏地橫移，運刀劈在空虛。
　　他終於首次看破宋缺的刀法，施展奕劍之術。
　　宋缺生性高傲，寇仲這句話比劈中他一刀更令他難受，登時殺氣劇盛。
　　豈知寇仲忽然退往他刀勢最弱的位置，劈出的一刀更如天馬行空般妙至毫巔，若他原式不變，等若把水仙刃送 上去給他砍劈的樣兒。
　　而且寇仲的身法忽然變得奇詭難測，就像水中的魚兒，縱使一動不動，但只要你搞動附近的水流，他隨時可迅 速竄退溜動。那種靜中帶有強烈游移干定的特性，以他自問能洞穿所有變化的眼力亦大感頭痛。
　　剎那間宋缺已知剛才的略一猶豫，已給這天才橫逸的小子搶佔得主動和上風。
　　他的「瀟湘水雲」再使不下去，不怒反笑的吟道：「石上流泉！」
　　似水流不斷的刀式，驀地化作一道碧光冶冶、穿巖漱石的清泉活水，水仙刃劃出一道藍芒，循某一條優美至超 乎任何言語所能形容的弧度，宜取寇仲。
　　寇仲往另一方錯開，橫刀格擋，看似迅疾，其實卻寓快於慢，化巧為扭。
　　「蓬」！接著連串兵刃交擊之音不絕如縷，宋缺的刀勢雖不住擴張，但寇仲已非完全處在捱打和受盡凌辱的劣 勢，更非宋缺要他向東便向東，往西便朝西的無法自由自主，而是有攻有守，且干時有今守缺頭痛的 自創奇招。
　　最大的得益就是寇仲終學曉了如何在宋缺驚濤駭浪般的刀法中回氣的方法，那是繫乎輕重的把握，攻中藏守， 守中含攻。每在全力出擊或格擋後稍留餘力，以調節體內真氣，當中微妙處，非是臨陣對敵時，是沒 法掌握的。
　　有點像每潛游一段時間後，就冒出海面透透氣，而不是死命在水底捱下去，宜至力竭氣盡。
　　在宋缺的龐大壓力下，寇仲把渾身解數毫無保留的施展出來，把過去所有領悟回來的刀法發揮得淋漓盡致，配 合從宋缺身上新學曉的東西，愈打愈得心應手，暢快至極點。
　　宋缺刀法忽變，高吟道：「梧葉舞秋風！」整個人旋動起來，水仙刃似是隨意出擊，全無痕跡刀路可尋，更因 其怪異的身法，寇仲一直力保的優勢立時冰消瓦解。
　　「噹」！


So, why akolow backs reinstating narcissus :

Narcissus in Chinese is water immoral, the leave look like the blade of sabre, while the flowers look like a lady stand on water, and was frequently use to refer to goddess of water, Madame of Xiang, is the most famous one, see the name of Song 10 secret include description of Xiang. Xiang is Hunan province.

[akolaw]

In my previous post regarding 5 wuxia sects of Northern School, I already mentioned:

鄭證因 Cheng led the sect of wuxia call 技擊幫会派，fighting techniques and gangster. Very realistic fighting and inside information on different Chinese gang and rules of Jiang wu.

We can see the tradition HY inherit in putting up a lot of inside information of a lot of different gang (Bang, Wei etc), and now he come to Casino and cheating Gambler, we can appreciate his inside knowledge and enjoy the ride here.

[akolaw]

I am not familiar with with gambling in general and have never played Tien Gow, Pai Gow, in particular, but these are common games in my parents generation, and they know how to play them and I have see some older generation play them when I was young in Hong Kong.

[wangxiaohu]

....and now, second behind akolaw xiong.
Thanks foxs.

[anurman]

Thanks Foxs. Yes a it's a guess. But with Yin Gu Pai, the two brothers, Baling Bang, Xiao Xian underlings, gambling festival..... I think it's a good guess 😀

[HPC7595]

Thanks foxs

[Ysabelkid]

Thanks foxs

[Lance23]

Thanks foxs. Just adding to the saying “you have a plan. I have a ladder over the wall”
The text is “you have a zhang liang plan/stratagem i have a ladder to climb the wall you set in place”

Zhang liang is a famous strategist that was an advisor to liu bang of the ham dynasty. Just adding some info for that line for readers that arent chinese/interested in. What that odd ball saying meant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhan..._(Western_Han)

[Lance23]

In english it would mean “you have a plan to in place deter me, but i have the perfect counter”

[Lance23]

One more in chinese culture gall bladder. Is like a saying that you have guts. Its like saying unless you had an ungrade to your guts (from eating leopards gall bladde/having balls of steel) you wouldnt dare sit at his table.

Kou Zhong made a big show of sitting down and untied the Moon in the Well from his back and put it on the table. This way, unless someone ate leopard gall bladder, nobody would dare to sit at his table.

Bed time

[SkyWalker]

Thanks foxs!

KZ and XZL are finally in the same room!

[Lance23]

to be fair the 2 characters that make up narcissus “水仙” can be translated as water immortal. First character being water. Second character means fairy/celestial being. Can even be used as a character for gods.

I see your argument where when water immortal is used we dont know which flower. The saber is named after.

We can give suggestions as i have said on the past, or give background on something for non chinese speakers. For example i provided some background to zhang liang. For the ladder to climb over the wall. Its a saying that mentions his strats. The wall being what he used to stop/deter someone. With the ladder being the counter etc.