大唐双龙传 [Da Tang Shuang Long Zhuan] by Huang Yi

[akolaw]

Amendment to term 奇情，should be fantasy.

[徐中銳]

Heaven Sword Dragon Sabre

We can point out what's in the original text, but for an adaptation or translation—its the audience may not mind suffering deviations. E.g. this mangling where… :

[Ysabelkid]

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[akolaw]

Both Huang王度盧 and Chu朱貞木 bring in love in their book, but they are talking about different kind of love, we don't read their book but they impact Liang Jin Yung and almost all later wuxia writers, even why we have this discussion here is because of this, and then I will touch on the impact on Huang Yi and how he made some difference.

[Lance23]

We can point out what's in the original text, but for an adaptation or translation—its the audience may not mind suffering deviations. E.g. this mangling where… :

I think this one takes the cake when it comes to adaptation smut.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0boXjpAHps

[foxs]

Anurman, you will be a good stockbroker. Is that what you do for a living? Xiaohu, I wonder who started it? Akolaw, thanks for sharing. All because you compared Shen Diao Xia Lu to Romeo and Juliet, which, to me, akin to comparing Da Tang Shuang Long Zhuan to Little Women. Don’t get me wrong though, those are classics. It’s just that you can’t compare apple to orange. Anyway, I agree with your remark, ‘wuxia is for entertainment’. Personally, I am interested in wuxia simply because it is entertaining. If it is not, then I won’t read it. Jaya, Ysabel, you are welcome. Lance, I don’t watch adaptation.

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Lei Jiuzhi turned his head around to look at him; he said, “Turns out it’s Gong Xiong. Gong Xiong ought to be a greatly famous character in Jianghu, but Xiaodi has never heard about you. Only by looking at how Wu Jiang Bang people were particularly deferential and respectful toward Gong Xiong, I know that Gong Xiong is someone ‘with a head and a face’ [i.e. someone important]. This is very strange.”

Displeased, Xu Ziling let out a cold snort and said, “Evidently Lei Xiong has researched the roots and investigated the base of Jianghu’s big names. Lei Xiong, please be careful with your words and actions.”

Unexpectedly Lei Jiuzhi’s thin face revealed a delighted expression; he said, “Gong Xiong must not take any offense. Just now I was just using words to sound you out. Gong Xiong’s reaction has confirmed Xiaodi’s opinion. Gong Xiong, please forgive Xiaodi for my irreverent remark.”

Frowning, Xu Ziling asked, “What are you trying to sound out?”

With serious expression Lei Jiuzhi replied, “I want to see if Gong Xiong is really a chivalrous man? If Gong Xiong is a figure from the heretical way, what I said just now would bring Xiaodi the disaster of getting myself killed. Based on Gong Xiong’s martial art skill, taking care of me should just be the exertion of lifting your hand.”

Xu Ziing did not expect that this man was able to see through the depth of his martial art skill merely by observation; shivering inwardly, he spoke in heavy voice, “Lei Xiong might as well speak up clearly your purpose in coming, and please do as you wish, but do not waste Ol’ Gong’s time.”

Smiling, Lei Jiuzhi said, “This matter is complicated and not easy to express succinctly. First of all, let me ask Gong Xiong, would Gong Xiong be willing stand up for the heavenly way, while at the same time make a great fortune?”

Remaining tranquil and calm, Xu Ziling said, “I am afraid Lei Xiong will have to find another candidate; simply because Ol’ Gong has an important matter I have to attend to, hence it will be difficult for me to come to your aid.”

And then he quizzically asked, “If Lei Xiong wanted to evade the pursuing troops, you can jump into the river to escape, then you would break the clues pursuers were tracking. In this time, where the world is in chaos, who would have the ability to go all over the world to search for you?”

Avoiding the question, Lei Jiuzhi said, “Since Gong Xiong have no intention to lend a hand, Xiaodi has no choice but to find another way. Excuse me, please!”

Song Yuzhi dejectedly said, “Just forget Yuzhi! With your, Kou Zhong’s qualification, who among the beautiful women around the world would not greatly admire you? If you are really good to Yuzhi, hereafter please do not enter Lingnan even for half a step.”

Finally Kou Zhong recovered his composure. With mouth wide open he gasped for breath for a moment, before shaking his head and said with a sigh, “Song Yuzhi, you are too heartless to me!”

Involuntarily he waved his hand to say goodbye, and then flew backward. In the blink of an eye he disappeared into the woods.

Song Yuzhi tightly bit her cherry lip; her pretty face was deathly white. Suddenly her cherry lips opened up and she vomited a mouthful of blood before collapsing backward.

Unexpectedly a shadow flashed across and caught her waist just before she fell to the ground, and then the shadow flew in the direction where Kou Zhong disappeared.

In one breath Kou Zhong rushed for about twenty li in the wilderness; his heart was filled to the brim with resentment and sorrow. In the land of love, he had been utterly defeated.

First it was Li Xiuning, and now it was Song Yuzhi.

When he came, he was brimming with hope, but now all his vision for the future and fantasies have been smashed to pieces by a few words from Song Yuzhi’s mouth.

Suddenly he became aware that he was traveling along an official road. There were other vehicles and horses, as well as pedestrians. At this moment he did not want to think about anything; he just wanted to find a wine shop and drink until he pass out. He would think about making other plans after he woke up.

As far as Song Yuzhi was concerned, he had totally given up all hope.

While still in daze, he entered the county town, and unexpectedly it was the Yulin County that he was looking for.

After paying the tax to enter the city, he walked leisurely along the main street, looking for a wine shop. He entered in and bought wine to get himself drunk.

This wine shop was very unique; it had two elongated rectangular-shaped sections, inside and outside, joined in the middle with an open-air courtyard. There was an oval shaped fishpond in the middle of the courtyard, while potted plants were spread all over the place.

If it were during the peacetime, Kou Zhong would definitely enjoy the atmosphere. This moment, however, he simply walked to the end of the shop, and sat down on the table in the corner.

The waiter cordially greeted him, “This Daye must be from out of town. Our Jian Long Zhai’s [lit. seeing dragon building] wine and dishes are second to none in Yulin; Daye really have good taste.”

Kou Zhong swept his gaze around, and noticed that the shop was quite sparse, with only six or seven tables had customers on them, how could he believe his bragging? He was not interested in chitchat even more. “I don’t want any dish, just wine,” he said, “And I want your strongest wine.”

Contrary to expectation, the waiter was quite astute; he left without saying anything.

Thinking about Song Yuzhi being so heartless, a tearing-the-heart, splitting-the-lungs pain burst in Kou Zhong’s heart, he had difficulty breathing, and he felt like bawling his heart out, yet not even half a teardrop wanted to come out of his eyes. He began to realize the depth of his love to Song Yuzhi, which greatly beyond his own expectation.

But then he immediately comforted himself. All these things would pass, just like that time he was dead drunk because of Li Xiuning. When he sobered up, he would strive his hardest to forget Song Yuzhi. This was also the only thing he could do. He really could not understand Song Yuzhi. And for the first time he realized it was impossible to fathom the real thought in her heart.

It was obvious that this naturally proud woman, who came from prestigious school and big clan – liked him; even if previously there was some gratitude and grudges between them, seeing him, Kou Zhong, as if he was making a pilgrimage, taking time out of his busy schedule, defying ten thousand rivers and a thousand mountains along distant road to come to seek her, she should have thrown all past disagreements and come to welcome him!

Who would have thought that the ending would be like this?

The wine came.

Kou Zhong suddenly felt something was not right. Looking up, he saw that the one bringing the wine to him was surprisingly the ‘Silver Dragon’ Song Lu. Startled, he hurriedly rose up.

Song Lu affectionately pressed down his shoulder and warmly said, “Sit down first, we’ll talk later.”

‘Knock! Knock! Knock!’

Xu Ziling was studying the newly learned ‘Zhenyan Shou Yin’ when he heard knocks on his door.

“Come in!”

It was Lin Lang. He said nervously, “They are here!”

Xu Ziing immediately knew that the Chuan Nan Casino men were renewing their pursuit, simply because only they had the ability to catch up with them in such a short period of time. “What does Lin Xiangzhu intend to do?” he asked.

Lin Lang indignantly said, “Everything must be handled according to Jianghu rules. This is our Wu Jiang Bang ship; if the other party wants to cause difficulties on the ship, that is, not giving us Wu Jiang Bang any face, how would we stand in Jianghu in the future? After arriving in Jiujiang, naturally we will not meddle in other people’s business.”

Xu Ziling praised him inwardly. No wonder Hou Xibai said that Wu Jiang Bang’s prestige was outstanding, while at the same time his impression on Lin Lang greatly increased. This was what was called ‘he who comes is surely ill-intentioned, no-one well-meaning will come’ [idiom]; since the other party dared to hold on to their tail and pursue them, naturally they had enough power and confidence that they would be able to eat Wu Jiang Bang men.

Smiling, Xu Ziling said, “Do you know who the other party is?”

Lin Lang shook his head. “There is no identifying banner,” he said, “There seem to be more than a hundred men. This is really strange. Most of the gangs and societies of the same way [principle] doing business along the Chang Jiang have had drinks with me and have good relationship with me; even if there is no good relationship, at least we nod and greet when we are passing each other. But this group of people looks very unfamiliar. I wonder what’s their background.”

Xu Ziling said, “I just received the information; the pursuers are likely to be the men from Chuan Nan Casino.”

His countenance changed, Lin Lang asked, “Where did the information come from?”

“I heard it from one of the passengers on this ship,” Xu Ziling replied.

Greatly worried, Lin Lang said, “If they are indeed from Chuan Nan Casino, it will be extremely thorny. Among the gambling establishments in Chengdu, Chuan Nan Casino is the largest in term of scale. Even Xie Hui has to give them a bit of face. No wonder they are this overbearing and did not give any consideration to us.”

Remaining calm and unruffled in the midst of chaos, Xu Ziling asked, “Who has such a big face?”

Lin Lang replied, “The big boss of Chuan Nan Casino is the ‘Golden Abacus’ Huo Qingqiao; he could be ranked among the martial art masters of Bashu. His reputation is barely second only to Xie Hui, Fan Zhuo, Feng Zhen, and other regional overlords. His son Huo Jitong is well known for being a bully; very daring and ruthless. Their Huo Family also runs pleasure house business. I really don’t understand how that Han Zenan could provoke this kind of man?”

Probing him, Xu Ziling asked, “Could it be that because the other party is Chuan Nan Casino that Lin Xiangzhu changed your attitude?”

Lin Lang sighed and said, “That depends on whether they have any reason to stand. Our Wu Jiang Bang is not that easy to provoke either. Our Laoda and Xie Baozhu [fort master] have always had friendly relations. Chuan Nan Casino men will have to follow compass and set square in their reasoning.”

Xu Ziling smiled and said, “What Lin Xiangzhu just said is enough for me! If the other party is using their strength to mistreat others, being insolent and irrational, I will take the whole thing as my responsibility.”

Stunned, Lin Lang said, “Gong Ye must not do that! If something happened to Gong Ye, how could our Sha Laoda answer Hou Gongzi?”

Xu Ziling knew that Lin Lang’s trepidation was due to the opposite party was Chuan Nan Casino men; he was afraid that this matter would escalate. Thereupon he said, “Lin Xiangzhu need not worry. I, Gong Chenchun, have mingled in Jianghu for many years, what wicked men have I not seen? By the time I am done and leave, there won’t be any pretext for the opponent to give you trouble.”

Seeing how reasonable and understanding he was, Lin Lang delightedly said, “Gong Ye’s righteousness reaches up to the sky; indeed you are our Wu Jiang Bang friend.”

Rising up to his full height, Xu Ziling spoke indifferently, “Let me see whether Chuan Nan Casino men have three heads and six arms!”

[wangxiaohu]

Wow, early update today...

[Jayariyin]

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[anurman]

Thanks Foxs.... I imagine a scene where broken hearted Kou Zhong is drinking a whole night while crying...with Bee Gees sings a theme song "How can you mend.....a broken heart.... How can you stop the rain from falling down...". Too bad Song Lu suddenly interrupts.

[Ysabelkid]

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[HPC7595]

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[akolaw]

Huang王度盧

Huang's most famous books is his Crane Iron 5 series, tell the 5 stories of 4 couple of a Wu Dong linage, Couching Tiger Hidden Dragon is the 4th one, Couching Tiger 2 is actually the story of the 5th book (Iron ride silver vase) Couching Tiger is a wuxia love story with sad ending, the 2nd and 3rd are story of Li (Chow Yun Fat in CTHD) and Yu (Michelle Yeoh in CTHD) another wuxia love story with sad ending, only the last one the couple (next generation of Loong, Zhang in CTHD) get marry.

in this 5 books, Qing dynasty, XinJiang, one linage , romantic love story with sad ending impact both Liang Yusheng and Jin Yung.

Jin Yung's 1st story Book and Sword, we can see Qing XinJiang, romantic love story and sad ending, and we can see the spiritual linage. but as I say Jin Yung change proactively in every book he wrote.

[SkyWalker]

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[akolaw]

朱貞木Chu is the grand master that affect the later Hong Kong writer most,

朱貞木的小說獨具特色。其一是吸收奇幻派的瑰麗神奇於現實的江湖世象之中，其二是吸收俠情派的纏綿婉約於江 湖的壯烈淒艷之中，其三是吸收歷史派的沉雄厚重於小說的虛構幻想之中，其四是在武功領域開創了許多奇功﹔其 五是“一床數好”和“眾女倒追男”的新派武俠模式。如此種種，均為上世紀50年代以后港台武俠小說作家群起 仿效，歷久不衰。

Critics comment features on Chu's wuxia,
1, absorb ki wan pai's fantasy and put it into mundane Jiang wu, 2, absorb romantic wuxia pai 's love story 3, absorb history story pai and put into wuxia fantasy, 4, in the area of wu gong, use a lot of imagination to create a lot of special wu sui, 5, create the new format of several girls pursuit one boy and threesome etc. a lot of these theme can be seen in Hong Kong and Taiwan wuxia stories in the 1950s and after.

We can see how JY model from Huang to Chu and others.

Love stories in wuxia are not necessary romantic one, if we read large amount of wuxia of HK & Taiwan, you will find more on the Chu's side than Huang.

Huang Yi's love story is some how different, since Xu and Kou's love story have not been translated yet, I would comment it after it is translated.

[akolaw]

I read wuxia for entertainment, and I read all kind of different novels, some of these books I have not finish, if I find them not good, I drop it, a few of these books are good that I keep come back to re read them, I deem these few ones as classic, at least to me. from this point of view both Da Tand and Condor couple are classic. They are popular book for entertainment, when they were created the writer put in a lot of mind to write them, if they can pass the test of time, they will be regard as classic, as most classical literature were first popular creation for entertainment. These have so far sustain 30 and 60 years as classic.

I have read both little woman and da tang before, and do not see da tang as inferior. if someone is translating little woman, I will not go there to rejoice and cheer .

[akolaw]

in my previous comment on Chu's love story, I mean love story in wuxia are not necessary deep love.

[徐中銳]

Its makers had an audience in mind. And having an overall concept their vision for the story, it's better than a myopic, tracing paper on watercolours approach.

I think this one takes the cake when it comes to adaptation smut.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e0boXjpAHps

I found that their last trailer was for Episode 18 :

[Lance23]

Its a garbage show. Total mutilation of huang yi’s work. Worse than tvb’s da tang adaptation.

[徐中銳]

You're comparing apples to pears.


Of novels, what's worse is someone purporting to translate faithfully when they're in fact not. Elsewhere, I'll say more about the social possibility of SPCNET e.g. how if translators truly care about accuracy, they'd provide the original Chinese text alongside, and welcome suggestions towards establishing the greatest precision…

Its a garbage show. Total mutilation of huang yi’s work. Worse than tvb’s da tang adaptation.

Of TV, I'm settling to regarding what's on it as simply either entertaining or unentertaining, faithfulness can be secondary to rhythm and pacing within an episode (as well as pacing and rhythm from one episode to another).


Well, say, I personally won't see again this 射鵰英雄傳 series, but (inaccurate as it is) it's very entertaining for many :

[chualot]

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