Qin Wang Li Shi Min (Starring Peter Ho, Gao Yuan Yuan, and Alyssa Chia)

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This series doesn't emphasize historicaly accuracy so if that's the main reason you're watching it, of course you will be sorely disappointed. It's like the "sister show" of Shen Yi Xia Lu/Miracle Healers.

well, i read posts in baidu so i kinda knew what i was getting into and wasn't expecting a fully accurate portrayal. i guess my main beef with the producers is the degree to which they altered li shi min's character. instead of an awesome leader, general and politician, he is this pathetic lover boy figure in the show. the actor sucks too.

i just wish they wouldn't use his name and real historical people for the show. why not just make up fake characters since the show is so far away from real history anyway?


I'm sorry if i'm being too negative, I recently watched a few episodes so I'm still pretty fired up. the series isn't totally worthless, the princess actress is really pretty.

[Lady Zhuge]

well, i read posts in baidu so i kinda knew what i was getting into and wasn't expecting a fully accurate portrayal. i guess my main beef with the producers is the degree to which they altered li shi min's character. instead of an awesome leader, general and politician, he is this pathetic lover boy figure in the show. the actor sucks too.

i just wish they wouldn't use his name and real historical people for the show. why not just make up fake characters since the show is so far away from real history anyway?


I'm sorry if i'm being too negative, I recently watched a few episodes so I'm still pretty fired up. the series isn't totally worthless, the princess actress is really pretty.

I agree with you about Peter Ho and Li Shimin's major character alteration. Wu Zetian in Zhi Zun Hong Yan/Legend of Wu Mei Niang was butchered in a similar way since she was supposed to be cunning and ruthless, but instead was portrayed as naive and weak. I guess Li Shimin and Wu Zetian are also pretty popular targets of manipulation because their characters do have rather controversial aspects historically. Even so, this is a common pattern in these types of shows: an idol cast that's light on historical accuracy and heavy on romantic as well as fantastical sap. I don't really mind too much since my main reason for watching was for certain members of the cast rather than something along the lines of Han Wu Da Di.

Yes, Gao Yuan Yuan is gorgeous. I'm glad you found something worthwhile from this series.

[hoamai]

I'm interested in this series because Yan Kuan is in it . I don't care much about history but I still think the Li Shi Min in this series is unacceptable . He's so pathetic.

[sunnysnow]

I'm interested in this series because Yan Kuan is in it . I don't care much about history but I still think the Li Shi Min in this series is unacceptable . He's so pathetic.

yan kuan is a fine actor. he did well, tons better thn peter ho in the series, eventhough he's 2nd lead. the script made LSM pathetic and peter's portryal made it worse.

[hoamai]

I absolutely agree with you .

[zhzhzhzh]

me too! YK is the best here. i love his character (Li JianCheng) & the way he act

[hoamai]

I also love Li Jian Cheng no matter how evil he was .

[da azn devil]

i thought i was only one of the few that liked li jian cheng over li shi ming!

i didn't like li shi ming from the beginning, i started to hate him in the middle, then towards the end i couldn't stand watching him any more.

though li jian cheng isn't the most likable person, i still favoured him over his brother. i think it was yan kuan that made me like li jian cheng so much. towards the end of the series most people would expect to pity ruo xi and hate li jian cheng, but instead, i pitied jian cheng and didn't care too much for ruo xi.

[sunnysnow]

da azn devil, i think almost everyone prefers yan kuan (LJC) over peter (LSM). yan kuan has a really bad a#s look which is so suitable for his role. if his character weren't so mean to GYY's ruoxi, i think i would have loved them together more, but overall i still thought gyy looked better with him thn peter.

[hoamai]

da azn devil, I didn't know you like Li Jian Cheng that much . I don't like Li Shi Min right from the beginning,either.

Yeah, I think GYY looks better with Yan Kuan than Peter Ho.

[chuy605]

i also agree with that too.

[zhzhzhzh]

i think LJC is not too bad. i even think that actually he is the real victim, not the bad one. li shimin is the one who stole everything suppose to be LJC's, including ruo xi and the throne, and even their mother. do you notice that this dam* mom only care about li shimin? LJC is just try to maintain everthing suppose to be his.

[hoamai]

In some sense, LJC was a victim . And that dam mom shouldn't have given unfair treatment to LJC . I think parents should treat their offsprings impartially . They could like one more than another but they shouldn't express that obviously .

[mermaidmelody33]

i think LJC is not too bad. i even think that actually he is the real victim, not the bad one. li shimin is the one who stole everything suppose to be LJC's, including ruo xi and the throne, and even their mother. do you notice that this dam* mom only care about li shimin? LJC is just try to maintain everthing suppose to be his.

I didn't agreed. True Ruo Xi suppose to marry him, but she's in love with Li Shi Min, So he suppose to just back up. And Shi Min is the one who fought in wars sooo he supposed to inherit the throne.

[Lady Zhuge]

This series actually made Li Jian Cheng out to be more likable compared to other series about Li Shimin. I liked Li Jian Cheng at the beginning, but not towards the latter part of the series when he treated Ruo Xi like a thing rather than a person. I was really pissed when he hit her. Yan Kuan did a decent job in the role, but Li Jian Cheng's characterization was too inconsistent.

[sunnysnow]

This series actually made Li Jian Cheng out to be more likable compared to other series about Li Shimin. I liked Li Jian Cheng at the beginning, but not towards the latter part of the series when he treated Ruo Xi like a thing rather than a person. I was really pissed when he hit her. Yan Kuan did a decent job in the role, but Li Jian Cheng's characterization was too inconsistent.

yes. he seemed to love ruoxi but then treated her cruelly after he married her, i dunno whether was it jealously that ruoxi loved only LSM or what. but i sorta feel that he doesnt sincerely love ruoxi, rather, he just enjoys possessing her so that he can sorta show his superiority over LSM, i dunno it's just how i felt. When LJC 1st saw ruoxi as a poor candy girl, he shrugged her off, but when he found out that she was the princess, he began to like "love" her? I keep thinking throughout the whole show that he loves the idea of having her rather thn her herself, but in the last episode when she dies, he was so devestated, so it's rather conflicting. anyway, Yan Kuan was a better actor thn Peter, i dunno whether it was Peter's or the script's fault, such that i didnt like LSM much in here, the character was just so..i dunno, inconsistent as well.

[zhzhzhzh]

I didn't agreed. True Ruo Xi suppose to marry him, but she's in love with Li Shi Min, So he suppose to just back up. And Shi Min is the one who fought in wars sooo he supposed to inherit the throne.

Ruo Xi in love with Li ShiMin, it's true. But this is not only about love. Compare with the dynasty, love is just a small little thing. Before Yang Guang die: the emperor must be believable, he said that RuoXi will be married to Li JianCheng, so he must do it. He is an emperor, not an usual father! After Li Yuan be the emperor: Ruo Xi is the princess of Sui, if she married to the prince of Tang (Li JianCheng) so the power of Tang will be increase. People who still loyal to Sui dynasty will think that Tang is not a betrayer of Sui, Li Yuan is the real emperor.

And the throne? Li JianCheng is the first son of Li Yuan, he supposed to be the royal prince. You said that Li ShiMin is the one who fought in wars. Now I ask you, if the 3 sons of Li Yuan was fought in wars, so who will get the throne? All of them? It's not about wars or what, it's about the rule! The first son supposed to be the royal prince. As long as he is not a bastard an evil an idiot, not die, didn't do big sin, the throne still supposed to be his.

[zhzhzhzh]

yes. he seemed to love ruoxi but then treated her cruelly after he married her, i dunno whether was it jealously that ruoxi loved only LSM or what. but i sorta feel that he doesnt sincerely love ruoxi, rather, he just enjoys possessing her so that he can sorta show his superiority over LSM, i dunno it's just how i felt. When LJC 1st saw ruoxi as a poor candy girl, he shrugged her off, but when he found out that she was the princess, he began to like "love" her? I keep thinking throughout the whole show that he loves the idea of having her rather thn her herself, but in the last episode when she dies, he was so devestated, so it's rather conflicting. anyway, Yan Kuan was a better actor thn Peter, i dunno whether it was Peter's or the script's fault, such that i didnt like LSM much in here, the character was just so..i dunno, inconsistent as well.

I'm not sure does LJC really love RX, but at least he really likes her. When he hit Ruo Xi, he is really in bad mood and he just can't stand that RX (HIS WIFE) only love LSM (HIS OPPONENT). At first time, he think that RX is just a poor girl who want to married to his brother because of money or status. Anyway, love is not always in the first sight. It's also not impossible that he really love her.

[Lady Zhuge]

Be honest, zhzhzhzh. If the roles were reversed and Yan Kuan played Li Shimin instead of Li Jian Cheng, would you still be such a staunch supporter of Li Jian Cheng and his actions?

If Li Jian Cheng loved and cherished Ruo Xi after he married her, it would be a different story, but he didn't. He always doubted her and thought she was cheating on him when she wasn't. It's not her fault that she loved Li Shimin. You can't just make someone stop loving another person and it was Li Jian Cheng's choice to marry a woman whose heart already belonged to another. Ruo Xi wanted to be a good wife, but Li Jian Cheng's own insecurities wouldn't give her a fair chance. Foul mood or not, he shouldn't have hit her.

While I don't agree that fighting in wars should automatically make you Crown Prince, I also don't agree that being the first born son should make you the Crown Prince either (even barring major sins). It should be more merit and heart rather than placement in the family. Yes I know the belief and practice at the time was generally different, but historically, some of the best emperors (such as Li Shimin, Kang Xi, Yong Zheng, Qianlong etc.) were not firstborn sons and it wasn't necessarily that all of the brothers born before them were evil or incompetent.

[da azn devil]

da azn devil, I didn't know you like Li Jian Cheng that much . I don't like Li Shi Min right from the beginning,either.

Yeah, I think GYY looks better with Yan Kuan than Peter Ho.

did i really make it sound that way.

it's not that i like li jian cheng THAT much, its more so that i hate li shi ming THAT much. thus making li jien cheng the better and more likable one.

at the beginning i really did like li jien cheng. towards the middle he seemed like he could become the ultimate villain and i didn't like him as much. but at the same time i was starting to get annoyed with the love sick id*ot li shi ming. towards the end i didn't agree that what li jien cheng did to ruo xi was right, but in many ways i can still pitied him.

i would agree with many that mrs li played a big role in making li jien cheng the man he was at the end. from the beginning she loved li shi ming more, everything was li shi ming this and li shi ming that. the worse part would be after ruo xi married li jien cheng. she still asked ruo xi to go see her beloved sick son. come on. she knows exactly what's going on. she should do what's in her power as the empress and a mother to make sure ruo xi stays faithful to li jieng cheng and that li shi ming is faithful to long er. by making ruo xi do all those things, such as praying for li shi ming, she's only making it harder for the two to forget one another. it also makes li jien cheng's insecurities worse.

i think that over time li jien cheng did start to develop feelings for ruo xi. at first he may have looked down on her as a candy girl and all. and then after he found out that she's a princess he may have only 'loved' her for her status. but i think that after he did get to know her there were SOME feelings involved. however, i still think that had li shi ming not loved her, he may not have loved her either. in a way, getting ruo xi was a way of beating li shi ming. as opposed to liu xiang in miracle healer, though, i feel that li jien cheng is a man with a heart and he did love ruo xi to a degree.

thing is i just pity li jien cheng. its the only reason i am able to forgive him for mistreating ruo xi. in such scenes i hate him, but then when i see the way hong xian treats him compared to the way ruo xi treats him, i can sorta ease the hatred. i can understand how he could have fallen for hong xian. she is actually another reason why i pity him that little bit more. he actually loved her and truely believed that she loved him back. even after her death he never knew that everything was all fake and only for revenge.

i think that had mrs li been nicer to or more equal is her love for ALL her sons, including li yuan ji, none of them would have turned out the way they did.